Wednesday, 11 September 2013

Thai boxing challenge for the Chen Taijiquan School...

Taijiquan v Thai Boxing! On September 28 in Jiaozuo, Henan, China, 5 instructors of Chenjiagou Taijiquan Xue Xiao will be fighting 5 Thai Boxing champions from Thailand. Chen Taijiquan has a proud record as one of China's most traditional fighting arts. We all know that it is a great form of exercise beneficial for everyone regardless of age and level of fitness... but somehow the martial aspect has been downplayed in the West (and to a lesser extent in China itself) to the point that, as one of my students put it, people think it is nothing more than "yoga done standing up". This is in danger of becoming a self fulfilling cycle as more and more people think that Taijiquan is the least challenging form of exercise, only fit for geriatric people. I read a book review the other day of someone who mentioned that his mother, who was in her 70s, had taken a Taiji class. She told him she wouldn't be going back as it was not challenging enough. In her words - "the walk to and from the class was more exercise than the class itself"! 

I am 100% in favour of an inclusive approach to Taijiquan. Yes it can be done for health, Yes it can be done for personal cultivation, and Yes it is a powerful and dynamic martial art! The best way to show this is for elite practitioners to show this aspect to the world. This event is being billed as a "Champions Showdown" and a cursory look at the fighting records of the competitors shows that it promises to be great night's action and a stiff test for the lads from Chenjiagou. (the Thai fighters names are not included as it was difficult to decipher them from the Chinese text).

Chen Jianqiang
Fighting at 75Kgs, Chen Jianqiang is the current over 80Kgs China national Push Hands champion. A hugely experienced Taiji competitor and winner of many push hands titles including - 2008, Henan province open-weight champion, 2009 Hunan province Championships 80kg champion and consecutive wins at the 2011 & 2013 Jiaozuo International Taijiquan Push Hands competition. His opponent was runner up at the 2011 Thailand Bangkok tourney and was the 2012 Thailand WBC Muay Thai Tournament Champion. His fight record is an impressive 79 fights with 63 wins, 6 losses and 10 draws.

Wang Jin Hu
Wang Jin Hu from the Chenjiagou school was runner up in this years China national push hands tournament and was a gold medallist at the 2012 Chen Village international tournament in the traditional handform, long pole and push hands divisions. His opponent is a seasoned and successful fighter boasting a professional Thai boxing record of 125 fights, with 114 wins, 8 losses and 3 draws. He was the 2010 Thailand Bangkok Prince's Cup Tournament champion. He was also competed under MMA rules winning the 2011 Beijing 3MMA championships and competing in the 2012 Xian MMA championships.

Wang Yan
At 60kg Wang Yan was the 2008 Henan province push hands champion; the 2009 Hunan province championships winner at 65kg; and won consecutive push hands titles at the 2011 and 2013 Jiazuo International tournament. His opponent was runner up in the 2010 Thailand Bangkok "King's Cup; winner of the 2011 Zhanjiang Sino-Thai tournament and the 2012 Thailand Bangkok "Prince's Cup". He has a professional Muay Thai record of 58 fights, with 48 wins, 7 losses and 3 draws.


Zhang Yanfei
Also at 60kg, Chenjiagou's Zhang Yanfei was runner up  at the 2007 Jiaozuo International Taijiquan Conference and winner at the same competition 4 years later in 2011. This bout is made at 65kg. His opponent has a fight record of  57 fights, winning 40, losing 14 and drawing 3 times. His championship wins include: 2009 Thailand Chiang Mai International Thai Champ; 2010 Thailand free Style Tournament; 2011 Jiangsu Bruce Lee Jeet Kune Do World Cup Championship; and the 2012 Inner Mongolia Championship.


Ren Gaochen
 The final bout is made at 70kgs and features  the Chenjiagou Taijiquan School's Ren Gaochen who first place in the 65kg class in 2012 in Chenjiagou in the international push hands tournament. His opponent is a seasoned campaigner who has had 95 fights, winning 78, losing 10 and drawing 7. His successes include: 65kg champion of the 2010 Thailand Muay Thai year-end finals; runner up at the 2011 Thailand Muay Thai King's Cup; and champion of the 2012 Thailand Muay Thai North-South War.

I've been to the Chenjiagou Taijiquan School many times over the last decade and have watched these guys growing from kids to formidable Taijiquan practitioners. It's great to see them stepping up to the plate to take this challenge, not just for Chen Taijiquan, but for Chinese martial arts as a whole. Just like to say good luck guys!!!!







23 comments:

  1. Any idea if this will be televised and if the bouts will be viewable over the web?

    If not will you be sure to post the results?

    Will this be fought under Sanda, Muay Thai or some other rules format?

    If the Chen guys' fighting experience is limited to push hands competitions it's highly unlikely they will be in any way qualified to contest hardened, experienced Thai fighters in a regulated sports context. I seem to recall a long history of CMA vs Muay Thai (sport combat) mismatches running back to the 1920s.........

    Out on the Henan plains or in the streets "no holds barred" would no doubt be a different story.

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    1. It is great for the world to have a chance to see Chen Taiji as a Potent Martial Art as well as its already established place as a viable tool for health and longevity. I have trained in Chen Village many times and have been tossed around by many of the villagers (in a friendly way). It became quite obvious how this art is like a double edged sword (unknown to many both here and China-outside of Chen Jiagou). One edge for health and one for martial and worthy to stand up to any other art if the Chen Taiji individuals has been trained properly. Chen Taiji can also be practiced deep in to the players later years with success unlike most other external martial arts. I am a student of Master Zhu Tiancai and have tasted the strength of Taiji. I have hosted Master Chen Bing here in the states and have personally experienced his extremely high and practical martial skill level. To all the Chen Taiji Competitors - as they say in China "Jiayou Jiayou" which is the Chinese word for something like - give great effort - Basically what the spectators would shout out to support those engaged in the competition. Should be interesting.

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    2. U hav such great insight shifu

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  2. Yes it will be televised on China TV. I'm sure we will get to see it shortly after the event. I've been told that it will be fought under International K1 rules. Some of the Chen guys are very experienced fighters. Chen Ziqiang has been preparing them for quite a long time, sending his teams out to get experience fighting sanda guys in China. I'm specially looking forward to watching Chen Jianqiang - very strong fighter.

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  3. finally, been waiting to see "the original" tai chi people fight, most full contact fighters like myself come from the Yang school, while all the Chen people talk about how they are the original amd more 'combative' style of Taiji.

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  4. I hope the chen representatives are accustomed to fighting as well and not just push hands and wrestling because if thats the only thing they have, they have a high chance of losing unfortunately and i hope that doesnt happen.

    where will this be televised...?

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  5. If someone finds a live satellite or internet feed please let us know. Thanks.

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  6. It will be a good match to watch. When I watch a match it makes me sad to see the how sportsmanship has changed. I found this great video of a instructor demonstrating tai chi, I particularly enjoy his sportsmanship philosophy.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDIb9TWy-78&feature=related

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  7. martial artist is different to martial fighter.

    hoping that chenjiagou have prepared their martial fighters.

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    1. How would you define a martial artist and a martial fighter?
      For me, martial artist is a artistic description, similar to the concept of Gong fu.
      A person who practices to perfection, technique and skill. Whether it be with a pencil or a pair of gloves is a artist. You seek to understand every element and put them into practice. Through success and trial you gain mastery. This is a artist. A martial artist seeks to perfect his art in whatever style they seek to master.
      A martial fighter, is someone who fights. Anyone can fight.

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    2. Anyone can brawl. Fighting requires skill and training.

      Is there a site where we can view this?

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  8. Lets hope they can use fa jin striking , if so combined with push hands for the clinch it should be an easy victory , however , what will they have on there hands? this is going to make a massive difference ....

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  9. Love to find some footage if anyone can find a link??

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  10. chen style won 3 matches out of 5 making them the winners, who has a link to some video ?

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  11. Sure would love to see some video ...

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    1. http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjE1MTM5ODAw.html

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      http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjE1MTE2NDUy.html

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  12. As soon as I get hold of link I'll put it up here..

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  13. http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1074798766&postcount=28

    Didnt take long for people to say it was rigged. I'll reserve judgement untill I get to see some video.

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  14. We've got video! http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=121735&p=2799519&viewfull=1#post2799519

    Underwhelming to say the least.

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